Pissy 5.03 Meta

[glorious_spoon]

What is with all the ragging on the Dean - Castiel brothel scene in 5.03? I thought it was hilarious and kind of sweet, as well as being perfectly in character for Dean. So what the hell is with all the people going 'Nonononono Dean wouldn't do that, he is having ANGST about Sammy leaving! Angst, I tell you! And also there is a very serious mission tomorrow! He must be serious! This is backsliding into the fires of denial! He must have a good cathartic sobfest IMMEDIATELY!"

Dude. This is Dean. Please go back and watch, well, the entire freaking series. Yes, he's stressed out and lonely and scared. Now, pop quiz: typically, how does Dean deal with being stressed out, lonely, and scared?

Oh, right. He goes and gets drunk and finds the nearest available attractive woman he can finangle into bed. Or he starts a fight (or occasionally both). 4.10 notwithstanding, good cathartic sobfests are not and have never really been his style.

Also, observe the way he has constantly taken a proprietary interest in Sam's sex life, since approximately the middle of Season 1. To Dean, getting somebody laid is an expression of affection and a rite of passage. And in this particular case, it falls very neatly in with his more generalized attempt to blow off some steam.

I've actually read people complaining that it's crass and crude and therefore OOC. I think these are people who have become so enamored of fandom's vision of Dean that they forget how he acts in the actual canon. Crass and crude are kind of what he does, and for me it was actually refreshing to see him loosen up and act like his old jackass self.

But hey, what the hell do I know; after all everybody knows that if there are no Single Crystal Tears, it doesn't count as real Dean characterization.

</sarcasm>

Seriously, take a look at this video. Or this one. Or maybe this. These are all situations in which Dean is dealing with some serious emotional issues. Observe how he goes about it. Now tell me that brothel scene was OOC.

Comments

[naatz.livejournal.com]

What is this, analyse!Dean day? Because the subject of the show's sexism is seriously pissing me off.

a) Dean calls Sam 'bitch' the most. When it's obvious how much he loves Sam. So whenever he calls someone else 'bitch', do you think he's comparing them to Sam? :P Also possibly, it was either 'bitch' or 'fucking shit', which wouldn't have flown well in public.

b) And if it was a woman who slept around like nobody's business, we'd have called the show feminist. God, I love hypocrisy.

c) They're all ignoring that Sam *doesn't* sleep around *and* doesn't swear, and that he doesn't condone Dean's behaviour and calls him out on it.

The argument *I* see most often is how every woman dies. Well, says I, at least there are women, and they kick ass. None of my other fandoms ever have had such strong female characters, and there aren't any in most canons I read/see, and everybody forgets that the men die too.

I honestly think that Sam and Dean feel better around women, that Dean truly respects women {and sets out not to hurt them} even if his methods are questionable. Heck, Dean opens up relatively fast to women, and he'd die for them, and other than his family, Bobby and Cas, they're the only ones we see he gives a damn about {other than little boys. He likes boy!kids better than girl!kids}.

And God, do people seriously think that a show is sexist just because of what ONE CHARACTER says? It's like 5.17 and the whore comments, which I found perfectly justifiable and understandable and not sexist in the least.


The thing I appreciate the most about the show is the characterisation {closely followed by the plot. Yes, I *do* watch it for the plot}. What I'll never forgive it for is 5.18. :(

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